Rob Bell has gone from being a megachurch pastor to talking about Ecclesiastes in LA's comedy clubs.
In one sense nothing has changed. In another sense everything has.
There's a "massive world of people who are spiritually hungry", he says, "but they can't stomach the Christian packaging they've encountered around Jesus".
Enter: the new Rob Bell. Few would consider him part of the Christian mainstream. Yet he's reaching a new audience with an ancient message.
In this interview with Premier Christianity's Sam Hailes, Rob opens up about his views on church, explains why the sermon is an art form and answers questions about his definition of the Gospel.
Rob Bell's 'Holy Shift' tour is coming to the UK this July. For tickets visit greenbelt.org.uk/rob-bell/